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Effect for "Drum & Bass" Sound

What type of pedal should look at for the electronic bass sound used in Drum & Bass music

Here's a video so you can kinda get an idea of what I'm talking about:

at the end they go into a groove that has the exact sound I want

I have a GT-6B and a ME-8B but really havent used them enough to know what I need to do to get that sound
 
Im i the same boat as you. Looking for a lot of the electronica sounds. Ive got the ME-50B, which is not gonna get anywhere near it, but should give me some nice different subtle fx.

My advice though is to go to a d n b forum such as dogsonacid.com and ask the producers there what kinda plug-ins they use for their synthed lines.

If your looking for a typical drum and bass sound ask about 'reese' bass, you'll know what im talking about when you hear some. (sorry i dont have a link)

But to be honest, ive notice youve got a DB and some of the sickest drum and bass ive heard is with clean DB, sounds awesome.

Check out some LTJ Bukem or London Electricity.

If you find a way to do it though, PM me and let me know!!
 
nonohmic said:
Im i the same boat as you. Looking for a lot of the electronica sounds. Ive got the ME-50B, which is not gonna get anywhere near it, but should give me some nice different subtle fx.

My advice though is to go to a d n b forum such as dogsonacid.com and ask the producers there what kinda plug-ins they use for their synthed lines.

If your looking for a typical drum and bass sound ask about 'reese' bass, you'll know what im talking about when you hear some. (sorry i dont have a link)

But to be honest, ive notice youve got a DB and some of the sickest drum and bass ive heard is with clean DB, sounds awesome.

Check out some LTJ Bukem or London Electricity.

If you find a way to do it though, PM me and let me know!!

I've heard some stuff using DB with electronic type music. Especially in trance type stuff. For some reason I've been really diggin drum & bass lately and I have a drummer that has been interested in dabbling in it a bit also. I would mind doing something like the video. A live drum & bass/trance group..
 
yeah cool,

Ive just started with a drummer doing breakbeat, we will probably move into d n b as the hardware evolves.

It's wicked tunes, no way can i keep still when the drummers playing that d n b break!!

I think trying to get some of the really deep synth with a bass is really a hard thing to do. So what we are planning on doing is having a midi keyboard set up in front of me, play some clean (ish) grooves with the bass and then go to the keys to drop the heavy synth lines.

but i suggest checking out some london electricity, live band, very cool. (might be spelt elektricity)

hows your drummer with the d n b breaks?
 
nonohmic said:
BTW, im in the middle of playing around on the ME-50B at the mo to get some good sounds so if i stumble across anything ill let you know.

Cool man.. I was messing around with my GT-6B.. Got something interesting by using overdrive, the defretter patch, and the using the expression pedal to do pitch bends..

I've never heard my drummer play d&b but from what I understand he really digs it and really wants to get into it.
 
honestly,

nothing beats a good synth keyboard. pedals only do so much, and unfortunately, the attack, sustain and decay of regular bass physics make for an uneven sound for electronica. no matter what pedal i've tried, i just cant get the same results as i can w/ my novation X-Station x25, which i highly recommend.

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so easy to use, and doesnt crash on gig like reason always seems to do to me. :mad:

but, i dunno what i'd do without my x25.
 
Getting a keyboard takes the fun out of it. Im a bass player, not a keyboardist.

The bassist on those video has a pretty convincing tone. I'd rather spend the money in effects pedals and still play bass rather than switch to keyboard.

Thanks for the suggestions though! :)
 
bobbykokinos said:
Getting a keyboard takes the fun out of it. Im a bass player, not a keyboardist.

The bassist on those video has a pretty convincing tone. I'd rather spend the money in effects pedals and still play bass rather than switch to keyboard.

Thanks for the suggestions though! :)

true,

but do you want to serve the music, or yourself? ;)

i'm sorting being the devil's advocate here, but seriously, you'd be surprised at how many bassists also use a small 25 key synth to supplement their onstage sounds. most of the gigs i've done w/ my synth are mostly hiphop styles, but i came from an electronica background, and knew right off the bat, that no real bass can ever give me convincing and non-cringe inducing sounds that properly blended into my programmer's reason based productions. again, the more electronica you verse yourself in, the more you'll realize that only a synth will do.

but IMHO, dont alter your bass sounds at all, ala squarepusher. listen to tom's "feed me weird things" album. his fretless bass playing is totally unaffected, while everything else in the mix is. makes for a terrific sound. and its the album that matt garrison tried to make, but ultimately could not.
 
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i use ableton live as a host and run my ns eub through my mac using multiple vst plug-ins to really warp out the sound for my dn'b projects...
i use a behringer fcb1010 foot controller for parameter control.
so many crazy free plugs out there....everything from bit reduction to sound replacement, you name it! one useful thing to do is to have multiple fx loops going so i can layer the sounds and keep the integrity of the clean bass...and be able to bring that in and out.
 
D.A.R.K. said:
i use ableton live as a host and run my ns eub through my mac using multiple vst plug-ins to really warp out the sound for my dn'b projects...
i use a behringer fcb1010 foot controller for parameter control.
so many crazy free plugs out there....everything from bit reduction to sound replacement, you name it! one useful thing to do is to have multiple fx loops going so i can layer the sounds and keep the integrity of the clean bass...and be able to bring that in and out.

Even though I understood half of what you just said ( :) ), I checked out your website.. You've got some cool stuff going on man! I dig it.. Thats one reason I want to stick with bass. Using keyboard would be logical and easier. But, I want to kinda maximize the potential of the bass by using effects. I know it wont sound exactly like the keyboard, and I'm fine with that.

To answer a question from earlier, if I did this I would doing it to serve myself and my curiosity really. I really dont plan on gigging with this stuff (unless we could find a gig). So, I want to do it for the sake of expirementation.
 
Joker's right. No pedal can truly match the precision of a keyboard controller. There are some considerations, however. My good buddy plays bass for Siamese, an electronica outfit from Toronto. They let me sit in a few times and I got to use Dave's pedals during a show. He had a Line 6 filter modeler, a Moogerfooger Low-Pass filter, an MF Ring Modulator, an EBS Octabass and an E-H Bass Micro Synth, among others! All of them tracked very well and I had no problems controlling the envelope of the notes. In fact, that setup seemed to be slightly more responsive than a keyboard and you could really control it with the strings. It seems that the bass has a lot to do with this as well. Some basses track better than others.

I've owned a Micro Synth for several years now and it can cover many of the classic sounds. The first time I heard it was at a 2 Skinny J's concert. I didn't know what it was at the time. Their bassist flipped it on and I was transfixed. I just HAD to know what it was. I went up to him after the show and he told me all about it. He had a friend retrofit the vintage internals into a rack-mount unit and oriented the sliders on the front like a graphic EQ! Killer effect.

The ring modulator is a big thing nowadays. Check out Tim Lebfevre. He and Wayne Krantz, the guitarist, use it a lot. Tim seems to have the whole pedal thing worked out pretty well. Some consider him to be at the forefront of pedal-wielding bassists. Other bassists and groups that I've gotten to know over the years are Lake Trout, The New Deal and Siamese. New Deal seems to have changed over into some kind of pop realm now so I can't speak for their recent stuff but their early stuff was good. All of these guys also have their stuff down and you can milk their recordings for ideas and possibilities.

To answer your original question:
In the first video you can clearly see him playing in the upper register of the bass for better tracking. The notes coming out are low so he's obviously using an octaver effect, most likely a synth. The distorted overtones in the middle can be replicated by a synth or a seperate distortion pedal. It sounds like a synth + LPF.

I also love that effect in that second video. The tremelo effect/swirling sound can be created with an oscillator, a ring modulator or other effects. Since the modulator is freq-specific, each note will beat at a different speed. In the video, it sounds fairly consistent so I would guess it's some kind of oscillator or something. If he's using a synth or a Moogerfooger, that capability might already be built into it.
 
thanks for checking out the site...
needs an update badly!
lots of examples in the download section...the live shows are the best for the topic at hand.....
much insane happenstance...lots of the amient/bent sounds are actually bass!
just wanted to add that there is always the midi pickup option, too.
cheers
 
bobbykokinos said:
Getting a keyboard takes the fun out of it. Im a bass player, not a keyboardist.

Its good to get some live enthusiasm into electronica too. The look and feel of a bassist and drummer grooving and working off each other cant be recreated with a dude behind a keyboard.

You can still go hard behind keys but i dont think it gives the same vibe to the crowd, IMO.